Honey Badger Brigade Legal Fund

New trial date is November 28-30th, 2017. Yes, we know.

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**UPDATE** We now have a more complete estimate of how much this will cost in total and have updated the fundraiser accordingly. 


The Honey Badger Brigade is now seeking legal advice to hold the Calgary Expo staff accountable for their acts of abuse and discrimination against us. We have made attempts in the past week to diffuse the situation by attempting to contact Mr. Kelly Dowd, owner of the Calgary Expo. We have received no response.

On April 17th 2015, the Honey Badger Brigade was forcibly evicted and our booth ordered removed, despite our operating well within the rules of the Expo and it’s policies of conduct. We were not given a chance to dispute the alleged complaints. The organization violated its own stated policy in the process and has released conflicting claims regarding its reasons for our removal.

Those claims indicate that we were removed due to our Men’s Rights Activism and unpopular view of modern feminism. Therefore it is our belief that the actions taken by the Calgary Expo staff were of a political nature and contravene the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, in particular freedom of conscience, freedom of thought and freedom of association.

If so, this eviction was based in discrimination, an act that has defamed and abused us. While we would prefer to settle this outside of a courtroom, we are prepared to take every legal action needed to ensure that ourselves and other future exhibitors will be treated equally, and without such a denial of their fundamental human rights.

All funds submitted to this fundraiser will be used for legal costs and costs directly related to our ejection from the Calgary Comics and Entertainment Expo. We will be keeping track of expenses and providing expense reports as we’re able.

At this time we are unsure what our total expenses will be as we pursue legal action. We will update this page as we get more information.


All funds submitted to this fundraiser will be used for legal costs and costs directly related to our ejection from the Calgary Comics and Entertainment Expo. We will be keeping track of expenses and providing expense reports as we’re able.

At this time we are unsure what our total expenses will be as we pursue legal action. We will update this page as we get more information.


As per concerns posted in the comments here and elsewhere, a preliminary cost estimate for taking legal action is 40k+, depending on what legal avenues we decide to pursue.

In addition when all of our legal costs are finalized, we will ask the donors who’ve donated over and above whatever final amount what they want the additional money to go to, either a refund or to HB projects/cost recovery(if they weren’t covered via the lawsuit.)

If you want you can indicate in the customer notes which you would prefer now.

130 thoughts on “Honey Badger Brigade Legal Fund

    1. badgerfeed Post author

      Hi Johnny. If you want to donate in larger amounts you can do multiple donations of 100$ or 250$ by choosing one of those options and entering however many of those options you want during the checkout.

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  1. Assuming you’re suing for a table fee refund, what will you do with that money? I’d personally like to see you go to another con.

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  2. Please contact me at my email so I can Paypal you directly. There’s something wrong and I am unable to do so through this site. Or just post your Paypal account email here.

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  3. Regardless of GG, 3rd wave has started abusing the law which is something noone should allow, regardless of political stance. Go get them ^-^

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  4. Come on guys, how can you not know how much money you need for legal expenses at this point? You’re over 8k in donations, the more you keep things not transparent, the more this will start to smell funny

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    1. badgerfeed Post author

      Preliminary estimates put it at over 40k. When we get concrete numbers we will be posting them.

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    2. badgerfeed Post author

      We’ve updated the fundraiser with this:

      As per concerns posted in the comments here and elsewhere, a preliminary cost estimate for taking legal action is 40k+, depending on what legal avenues we decide to pursue.

      In addition when all of our legal costs are finalized, we will ask the donors who’ve donated over and above whatever final amount what they want the additional money to go to, either a refund or to HB projects/cost recovery(if they weren’t covered via the lawsuit.)

      If you want you can indicate in the customer notes which you would prefer now.

      Is this sufficient to allay your concerns?

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      1. Thanks. Can you clarify what you intend to do with any ‘winnings’ or refunds from the Calgary expo? Does 40k cover going to trial or just an out of court settlement?

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        1. badgerfeed Post author

          At this moment this is just an estimate for going to trial. We’ll cross the bridge on the winnings if/when we get there.

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          1. Calgary has a service called the Lawyer Referral Service. With that service, you are referred to three lawyers who will give you 30 minutes of free consultation. If you choose to work with them beyond that, then their standard rates apply. That, to me, may be a good starting point, since you get 90 minutes of advice, for free. (Assuming that such a service exists in your location.)

          2. badgerfeed Post author

            Thank you Steven. Thank you also for contacting us and sharing your story. It’s amazing that the Calgary Expo asserted it’s commitment to “free speech” on the public statement it made about ejecting us and banning us.

        2. I can’t speak for anybody else but I donated not because I think HBR needs money specifically, but because I want to make sure that those who would discriminate on the basis of sex, race, creed, etc are held accountable for their actions. If the case pays out sufficiently and the HBR group just throws a party with it, I won’t regret donating in the slightest. That being said, using it to fund further convention attendances and/or charitable donations would be my preference. But to me at least money isn’t the issue. Justice is.

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      2. I’m sorry, but $40,000-$30,000 seems like a very large amount of money for a case like this, and I’m surprised a lawyer would give this kind of estimate.

        First of all, you shouldn’t know if you’ll even go to trial yet as you haven’t told the Comic Expo how they could settle this without the court. Your lawyer should be sending a list of your demands to the Expo (public apology, cash sum) and there’s a decent chance that the Expo’s insurance will simply negotiate a lower sum and settle out of court. And even if it gets to court, this should be able to be resolved in a single day.

        Second, the first step of acquiring a lawyer is to cover their retainer and having them go over your case and show you what options you have and what they think is your best bet. Not to mention that in cases like these, lawyers who specialize in this sort of thing are usually willing to work on “contingency” and simply take a cut out of whatever you manage to win. This again makes the estimate of needing $30,000 kind of unlikely.

        So is this legal fund being used exclusively for a lawyer, or are you factoring in other potential expenses such as travel costs to the trial?

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        1. The appeal says the funds go to legal fees or “costs directly related to our ejection,” whatever that last bit means.

          You’re 100% correct that one cannot price this looking at full cost for a trial at this stage, particularly when it isn’t clear they have even identified a colorable legal claim.

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  5. Russell Bowman

    Wow…$9,000 in two days! It’s great that so many people are behind you on this. I’ve chipped in $10, and I wish you all the best.

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  6. Seems no way to edit cart. I made a mistake on amounts and need to do that before finalizing amount.

    Thanks

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    1. badgerfeed Post author

      Hi Jack, try reloading the site. Also you should be able to edit all items in the cart if necessary unless the website has crashed.

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  7. Your donation site is broken. I live in the US and it will not let me either select a state or proceed past that point.

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  8. Just curious, why do I have to put my address/shipping option to donate? Is something going to be sent out?

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    1. badgerfeed Post author

      Mostly it’s standard for this platform. :\ I think you can put in n/a if you don’t want to have your info entered. I would put in an email address though.

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  9. I can’t believe how much you guys have already raised. Some of you must have donated hundreds! I’m usually not the type to jump to litigation, but I just don’t know how else we can fight these bigots if we’re not even on the same battlefield. Litigation (and straight up lies and abuse) is largely the arena of these people. I’m glad to seen you guys are doing SOMETHING. Also, I do believe your rights were violated, which makes this all justified anyway. I apologize that was a bit rambling. I’ll stop now. Go Honey Badgers!

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      1. I really hope enough money is raised, and this goes to trial, and the HBB wins the case. I kinda hope it sets a legal precedent that can be used in the future to protect the rights to free speech, free thought, and assembly that will help spread the message, expose the lies, and take down feminism.

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    1. badgerfeed Post author

      If you donate through Stripe, you don’t get an email. If you donated through paypal, I suppose you could check your spam filter.

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  10. There wasn’t much I could do, but I threw down a Lincoln to show support. As an advocate #GamerGate and avid opponent of social censorship, I’ve also helped to spread the message. It’s time to show the perpetually butthurt bully brigade that there are legal consequences for their misbehavior.

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    1. badgerfeed Post author

      Periodically I have to manually purge the sour pledges because ignition deck doesn’t update when someone’s pledge is declined.

      Yes, it’s depressing.

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  11. WTF? You were at $11,8## earlier and now you’ve dropped to $11,685, but your supporters have stayed the same. What’s going on?

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    1. badgerfeed Post author

      Periodically I have to manually purge the sour pledges because ignition deck doesn’t update when someone’s pledge is declined.

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  12. THIS IS A SCAM! THEY CALLED THE COPS ON THEMSELVES TO MAKE CALGARY EXPO LOOK BAD! HONEY BADGERS ARE THE NEW ANITA SARKEESIAN!

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  13. Hat’s off to all the Honey Badgers and especially Alison for standing up against Calgary Expo, you’re doing the right thing. Give ’em hell!

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  15. The corrupt people who’ve done this don’t deserve the power they have. Don’t stop until they’re dust.

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  16. Its about time someone took one of these many issues to court and got some fact on the books, I hope this will be the start of that. In support of this have $50s of my shekels and thanks for taking point.
    /hug GamerGateHugPatrol @astragaal

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  17. Hi,
    Obliatory IANAL here first, but…

    I’d like to support you, but you’ve really missed the mark here. The charter is intended to protect your freedoms from the government itself. eg. If a law were enacted which said “any and all people who support Gamergate are guilty of a crime” that law would theoretically rightfully be struck down by the court system, citing the obvious charter violation. It isn’t actually even very good at that job, because the government can then invoke the “notwithstanding clause” which more or less gives them carte blanche to violate your rights as much as they want, so long as they renew that law every few years.

    Now, as far as the applicable law that would protect you from discrimination from a private entity such as the Calgary Expo, that would be the Alberta Human Rights Act, most likely section 4, which states:

    No person shall
    (a) deny to any person or class of persons any goods, services,
    accommodation or facilities that are customarily available to
    the public, or
    (b) discriminate against any person or class of persons with
    respect to any goods, services, accommodation or facilities
    that are customarily available to the public,
    because of the race, religious beliefs, colour, gender, physical
    disability, mental disability, ancestry, place of origin, marital
    status, source of income, family status or sexual orientation of that
    person or class of persons or of any other person or class of
    persons.

    Note that political beliefs are not mentioned.

    I’d say the expo is definitely in the wrong, but it really isn’t a fundamental rights issue. And even if it were I’d be careful about using the human rights tribunals to try to make a point. They’re really one of the main reasons the SJW types have so much power right now. It’s far too easy to find yourself or your company in front of one for alleged thought crimes.

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    1. None of that has anything to do with the damaged artwork/booth, loss of booth fee, and defamation of character.

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      1. You’re right. But neither does 90% of the appeal for funds here which goes on extensively about censorship and infringed rights.

        Yes the con did censor the badgers. They would also have been well within their rights to do so, outside of the fact that it seems like the con clearly unfairly broke the agreement they entered into with the badgers to rent a booth.

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    2. since its funded by the canadian govt and was against their OWN policies….they do have a case for dicrimination based solely on ideology

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    3. badgerfeed Post author

      Whether or not the Calgary Expo is a “private entity” is not determined. The City of Calgary, however, isn’t a private entity.

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      1. If accepting government grants made one subject to laws specific to parliament there would be very few businesses out there which could be considered not part of the government.

        Following the same line of thinking, everyone should be allowed to waltz into my house, because I accepted the first time homebuyers tax credit.

        Not so much.

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      2. There’s no reason you can’t sue on multiple grounds. I happen to agree that your strongest case will reside in breach of contract. However, you can still sue on grounds that they violated your rights. At some point a judge will rule on all of these issues. He/she may kick the rights violations in the end (or it may go forward), but they will be hard-pressed to toss out your contract case. And ultimately, that will probably be your winning card.

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  18. Mads Tejlgaard Olesen

    Hi honeybadgers.

    I have 2 concerns. Number 1, you’ve previously said that you’ve incurred losses associated with attending the convention to the tune of a cumulated 10k dollars. I realize that’s actually a relatively low amount, considering the convention took a hefty chunk of time out of your calendars, and considering you were 6 people directly attending.

    However, you’ve already done a fundraiser for that, where alison, mike and karen made up the difference between what you were funded, and the budget. I know that you guys are good people, and that you have sparse funds.

    My hope is that you could be a little bit more clear in your preliminary legal action budget. Expenses that come directly from being ejected from the calgary expo – obviously, those expenses suck, but I would think you can, at this point, describe exactly how much those expenses were. I may be a callout asshole for saying this, but it seems like your old budget, that was already crowdfunded, would have covered most of those expenses. The one area that wasn’t crowdfunded was the chunk that mike, karen and alison put in, and considering that at least alison personally did not get from the convention what she expected, I can understand compensating her with some money out of the legal defense fund.

    I’m not looking for receipts or anything like that, but if you could promise me that, for example, at most 1000$ out of this fund will be used to cover expenses accrued during the week of the convention itself, I would be a lot more comfortable donating.

    I understand that certain things are unpredictable when we’re talking lawsuit, but this is one part of your budget that you can predict, and therefore I have a strong expectation that you will actually predict it before I pony up. It’s simply a matter of trust. I hope you understand.

    Secondly: you must clearly address what you will do with any winnings from the suit. You were sent to the expo on crowdfunded dime to be a voice of reason and classic gaming virtues. This was a promise inherent in your crowdfunding campaign, and I understand that you used the money to cover expenses, not to pay yourself a salary for your activism. However: when you were thrown out of the Calgary expo, you were there acting as an extension of these two virtues.

    Should you make a windfall, it is not right that any of you personally gain more than a modest amount to cover the stress of pushing the suit. You, ultimately, did not put yourself there, and you are presumably not paying a significant amount of the fees that need to be covered to do the suit.

    I understand this is harsh; you have done nothing to make me suspect you will grab any money that fallout of the calgary expo pinata and take off with it; so please don’t second guess my motivation for asking you to address this. It is not because I suspect you will do something fowl.

    I am asking you to please document what percentage of winnings each of you, individually, will at most take. Something like, at most 2% of winnings after expenses, or 1000 dollars, whichever is higher – in addition to costs incurred specifically by transportation and cheap accommodations, if the case goes to trial. If I know that you have made this promise, I know that the rest of the money is going to a good place. This would do a great deal towards assuaging any fears that any potential for personal gain is not a factor in your pursuit of this.

    I hope you’re not offended that I would ask for these two clarifications. Kind and cordial regards, Mads Tejlgaard Olesen.

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    1. badgerfeed Post author

      The crowdfunded budget covered expenses related to getting Hannah, Rachel, Brian and Anna to the convention and that’s it. If you want more detail on what it covered, I would suggest looking at the budget we provided. As for the kind of detailed information you’re asking for, I can’t give that to you at the moment.

      If we do get a “windfall” related to pain and suffering–which is highly unlikely–that covers actual harm done to us, our group and our intellectual property.

      If you have any reservations about donating, don’t donate. If you already have I will give you an immediate refund.

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      1. So you’re saying you guys intend to keep any money left over from the legal fund and anything you win from a future court case?

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        1. I don’t honestly see any reason they shouldn’t be compensated for the time, effort, and stress of this whole situation.

          Rather than be concerned with how they would use the donations, I would recommend only considering a donation amount that represents what you are willing to ‘write off’ on this endeavor – and if that amount is zero, so be it.

          For me it was a bit more substantial.

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          1. Donated via paypal.

            Give them hell. Kick butt. Take names. Don’t let them get away with it.

            Thanks for all you do!

          2. If that’s what they are going to do, that’s fine.

            However they should be clear about it.

  19. If I had the money I would just casually throw in $10’000 and mention NOTHING about it, because I wouldn’t like to brag. Instead, a smaller amount will have to do. I hope you give Calgary Expo a legal bloody nose.

    Keep on badgering,

    Lawrence
    AKA Monolith

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  20. Hi. What is the name of the lawyer or law firm you have engaged and who told you that you have a case under the Canadian Charter?

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    1. Why is the fact that going into this legal action that success is not 100% assured apparently an issue with people? Even if they lose, someone needs to actually stand up against SJW asshats.

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      1. It’s a simple question. Legal fees means lawyers. What lawyer has agreed to sue the Con under the Charter, (which applies to government only)? Before donating for fees it’s a natural question to ask.

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        1. badgerfeed Post author

          You are assuming the grounds on which we will sue if it comes to that. The fact we pointed out that the Calgary Comics and Entertainment Expo does not support Charter rights in opposition to it’s statement that it does does not bear on our legal strategy.

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          1. OK. Can you then identify what legal theory you intend to pursue and the firm or lawyer that you have engaged?

          2. The other part is actually a good question. I can understand not wanting to reveal the strategy you plan on using, but what law firm/lawyer you are employing is an important bit of info.

            The other is how likely it is that the Badgers would take one of the typical results of a case like this — a settlement where no one admits they were wrong and no one is allowed to speak of it again.

          3. badgerfeed Post author

            It may be an important bit of info but it’s one I’m not revealing at this time. As for your second question, we won’t be accepting any settlement that includes a gag order.

          4. Gunnar Sonsteby

            You realize that letter will be brought up and will be a factor in any future legal proceedings, right?

  21. I’m not too concerned about a winfall – I think the Honey Badgers will be inventive and find some good cause. Like helping others who need legal help in similar circumstances.What happened to the HB is certainly going to happen again . And when it does there must be action. Wishing you the best – go get them!

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  22. Have you guys thought about starting your own Gamergate friendly convention? Not just you guys but lots of people could pool their resources and create an environment where people can have an open discussion without fear of censorship. Is that something that you could potentially do? Comic conventions must get started somehow.

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    1. That would be a disaster! SJW’s would come and tell us we are monsters and we would be kicked out of our own convention!!!!

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    1. That may have happened during a currency conversion – for example, from US dollars to Canadian.

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  24. Gunnar Sontsby

    Hello,

    I’ve been commenting on your possible case on 8chan and to sum it up, you should really get a lawyer asap. You already have more than enough money for a retainer and consult a lawyer before you make any further public statements on this case or further communications with the expo.

    The lawyer I’d like to recommend is Natalie Climenhaga, a Calgary based lawyer working for the firm Carscallen LLP. She’s an up and coming business lawyer who’s been forging quite a reputation for herself. The reason you should consider her are as follows:

    – She speak multiple languages fluently, specifically English, Norwegian, Italian, and French. That could help deal with any language gap from the international nature of the Honey Badgers

    – She’s a geek and understands comics and things like Twitter.

    – She also has a background in journalism and non profit organizations, so she has a grip on how news organizations work as well as how organizations like the Expo operate.

    – She’s still relatively new so you might not be charged as much if she’s handling your case specifically, even though she’s already been building a reputation. Basically getting her is getting the lawyer equivalent of the T-1000 Terminator to go after the expo while paying for the price of a disposable Ultron bot.

    Now she might not take the case depending on her load or if its a straight defamation case or based on your contract, but she’ll be able to understand it and know who in the law firm should handle it.

    Otherwise good luck and feel free to drop me a line if you want any very basic advice or another lawyer recommendation.

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      1. Gunnar Sonsteby

        I certainly hope so.

        However I can’t imagine any lawyer practicing in Canada would have advised them to send the letter they did.

        They’ve already crowd sourced more than enough money for a lawyers. Heck Peter Royale, the number 1 criminal defense attorney in Alberta asks for roughly $10,000 for his retainer.

        If not the lawyer I recommended, I strongly suggest whatever lawyer they’ve been in contact with that they cover his/her retainer and they have them start going through their case asap.

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        1. You’re speaking a lot of sense here. They absolutely need to figure out what options they have before raising money for a trial.

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          1. Gunnar Sonsteby

            Thanks.

            Even if they intend to shop around for a lawyer, they really should cease commentary on the events of the Expo. Any comment they make can become a factor in a future court case and will have to be reviewed by their attorney.

            At the very least, continuing to comment is going to drive up their legal costs. At worst, it will damage their potential case or close off potential legal avenues.

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  27. A honest question

    Do the national coalition for men have lawyers they work with and have they anyone tried contacting each other?

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  29. I think that your main problem is that youre trying to speak in feminist controlled spaces, and they censoring you when you say something they don’t like. Have you guys thought about starting a gaming site like newgrounds, but where people can post things without the fear of feminist censorship. I’ve made a few things in flash. I’d be happy to donate my services to a project like that.

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  30. The Charter does not apply in this case, unless Calgary Expo was acting on behalf of the government. I think possible grounds for a civil suit. The Supreme Court of Canada has been very clear on the Charter issue. And the Charter clearly states applicability. I don’t know enough about Expo’s ties to government to be clear if the action you appear to be taking is the proper course. I naturally do not trust lawyers. I would not want to see you lead down the garden path by one who is only interested in making money.

    I have to agree with K Stricker.

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    1. Not trusting lawyers, how quaint XD
      Regarding the connection, they are directly funded in part by the govt
      Defense Lawyers generally don’t make the most money if they lose so not in their best interest, also the lose alone is a mark o n their record.
      And someone has to at least TRY and call bullshit on stuff like this….just rolling over and letting them ram your ass is not working atm

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      1. You have no idea what you are talking about. I have clearly stated they may have a civil suit. R v Dell, Young v Young and R v Big M Drug Mart are 3 Supreme Court decisions that back up my point of view. I did not say anything about backing down. I have been successfully beat the crown in court myself without a lawyer. The Charter angle is a mistake. If any lawyer pretends the recieveing grants equals performing a function of government they are being dishonest or playing you.

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        1. As i said, Im of the view that this has to be done. The charter has been beaten over our heads and even if they lose, it shines a spotlight on this very real issue.

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          1. Yeah, but it is a $500 endeavour. Pick up a QB rule book. Get copies of proper forms. Submit with affidavits. Perceive opposing arguments. And remember the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. In this case it is a balance of probabilities. Whoops, did I forget the appeal which will cost another $30,000. Hard to swallow a tough existence for the poor lawyer who just learned procedure in law school, but earns a years worth of work (for some Canadians) for doing the same thing you could for $500. And as for the UK legislation which is our Constitution Act. Sorry do not care, does not apply to me or you as written.

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  32. So I was just informed by somebody on “The Honey Badger Radio official Facebook group” that this group supports anger and hate. That’s not what I signed up for. Furthermore I was “kindly” asked to leave, so I wanted to know, if this is the case would I be able to get a refund? That’s not the sort of thing I was hoping to support.

    Thank you.

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    1. I can’t delete this comment, if you could that would be grand. Thank you, and sorry. You can keep the money, I was mistaken.

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          1. It’s not what the third party says that bothers me, it’s when nobody else in the group says anything opposed.

            However Allison herself stepped in and did just that so thus my attempt at retracting my refund.

      1. I think Ndoki was joking. It just goes to show how reasonable the Honey Badgers are by the fact they refunded Ndoki’s money so easily. I can’t see Anita Sarkeesian doing that.

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  33. Congratulations Honey Badgers! Thank you to everyone who donated! When will be hearing an update on what’s happening?

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  34. Congrats, HBB! I am proud to say that I donated to the cause. Let’s hope that the law is on your side. As a Calgarian, I absolutely despise the reputation that CCEE has given to us nerds/geeks.

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  35. hi, missed the donation deadline, can you tell me how long the anonymous legal fund donation will be up? after all, i notice you mention 40k plus as a possible final amount, so i assume that it wont go down before this month end payday? :3

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    1. badgerfeed Post author

      I won’t be taking down that link anytime soon. However we may be doing another fundraiser in a bit to assist in getting to the GGinBC meetup.

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  36. > I won’t be taking down that link anytime soon. However we may be doing another fundraiser in a bit to assist in getting to the GGinBC meetup.

    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH. Open your pockets, morons. They are coming back for thirds.

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    1. Telling that their next “update” will be another cash grab, instead of giving their donors basic information such as attorney name or a status of their actions.

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      1. Shut the hell up Tariq and Wurble

        They don’t need to keep you in the loop with every mundane detail. If you did nt trust them then you shouldn’t have donated….but you didn’t donate did you 😉

        Regarding the next fundraiser…its shocking you think things are free…..let me extract that silver spoon from your ass and help you understand the world aint free.

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